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that debt ceiling vote the senate has approve it, the house already did so we can borrow morgan to pay our bills through may. congress at that point will have to deal with it again. richard? >> tracie potts in washington. thank you. new yorkers are waking up to the news of the passing of an icon, one of the city's and nation's most outspoken and popular politicians, ed koch has died of congestive heart failure. he served in world war ii and later was elected to three terms as mayor of new york city. ed koch dead at the age of 88. dramatic and contention day of testimony for senator charlie hagel. >> reporter: john mccain seized on hagel's opposition to the surge in iraq. >> the question is, are we right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> reporter: over his 2008 comments related to israel that a quote jewish lobby intimidate a lot of people in congress. >> name one person in your opinion who is intimidated by the israeli lobby in the united states senate. >> well, first -- >> name one. >> i don't know. >> reporte
that debt ceiling vote the senate has approve it, the house already did so we can borrow morgan to pay our bills through may. congress at that point will have to deal with it again. richard? >> tracie potts in washington. thank you. new yorkers are waking up to the news of the passing of an icon, one of the city's and nation's most outspoken and popular politicians, ed koch has died of congestive heart failure. he served in world war ii and later was elected to three terms as mayor of new...
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>> the sky will fall if you don't deal with the debt ceiling. but i think unfortunately, this is the price that we pay in the fiscal cliff deal. the democrats paid. i said at the time that i thought it was a short term victory for the democrats, but a long term victory for the republicans because we gave away our leverage on tax increases. so, sure, i have no objection to giving away the carried interest on some of the projects and loophole, but the fact is we're not in position to do that and i think we ought to get serious about the deficit and the best way to get serious about the deficit is go right over the cliff. the likelihood of having a real agreement between the white house and the conservative republicans is pretty close to zero. so i think we should take our medicine now. i don't think our sky are fall if we take the sequesters. i think from a democratic view, it's the only way we'll get the kind of defense cuts that we really need to get and we need to take our medicine. >> what i'm hearing is you disagree with the president and you
>> the sky will fall if you don't deal with the debt ceiling. but i think unfortunately, this is the price that we pay in the fiscal cliff deal. the democrats paid. i said at the time that i thought it was a short term victory for the democrats, but a long term victory for the republicans because we gave away our leverage on tax increases. so, sure, i have no objection to giving away the carried interest on some of the projects and loophole, but the fact is we're not in position to do...
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then they decide not to fight on the debt ceiling and they need to move the attention on to something else. say they do have leverage elsewhere. so they have chosen sequester and put up a very brave face on it. it's possible they could convince themselves to let it actually happen but the idea that they get some sort of significant political gain from it, these are cuts they hated and they hated in large part because they hurt things they care about. so to permit the sequester to go forward on that kind of rationale is not a political win, not a policy win. everybody is losing. >> the "new york times" op-ed says more than a million jobs are on the line if this deal isn't made. a quote saying the losses will soon spread as contracts to states and cities are cut, education and police grants are cut, and payments to medicare providers are cut, even the aid just approved to victims of hurricane sandy will fall under the sequester's act. americans are about to find out what happens when an entire political party demands deficit reduction at all costs because those costs will be enormous. t
then they decide not to fight on the debt ceiling and they need to move the attention on to something else. say they do have leverage elsewhere. so they have chosen sequester and put up a very brave face on it. it's possible they could convince themselves to let it actually happen but the idea that they get some sort of significant political gain from it, these are cuts they hated and they hated in large part because they hurt things they care about. so to permit the sequester to go forward on...
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that is called suspending the debt ceiling, you raise the debt ceiling so you put a lid on what the government can spend. when you reach your credit, they will give you another thousand dollars and that is new limit. what has now happened is capitol hill has suspended that limit, now you are going to american express card with no limit and you have given the president no limit until mid may? >> i don't think american express would like the comparison because it couldn't be as bad. [ laughter ] >> but they are limited by the appropriations process and house and senate under the constitution have the power of the purse. he is not supposed to spend important. having said that, you are right. it's a huge problem. we should not extend the debt limit again. what is coming up, it may be four to six months unless there are legally spending cuts. i proposed that legislation. it got a lot of votes on the floor but it's simple idea. reduction of spending for every dollar increase in debt limit and you get to balanced budget over ten years if you do that. >> greta: breaking news, it's an important topic.
that is called suspending the debt ceiling, you raise the debt ceiling so you put a lid on what the government can spend. when you reach your credit, they will give you another thousand dollars and that is new limit. what has now happened is capitol hill has suspended that limit, now you are going to american express card with no limit and you have given the president no limit until mid may? >> i don't think american express would like the comparison because it couldn't be as bad. [...
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the republicans said -- >> the debt ceiling. >> -- and wall street came in and said, yes, you are. and now on immigration reform the president is appealing to the people who understand what responsible immigration reform can mean for business and the economy. he's actually not getting democrats to beat the republicans. he's getting republicans to beat the republicans. it's a great strategy. >> what do you make of it, michael, from the other side? jimmy carter was accused of having too many balls in the air when he was president. this time the president wants to throw a lot at the republicans and keep them off guard. >> it reminds me of 2009 all over again. instead of focusing on the paramount issue that every american is still facing, the jobs, the economy -- >> what's the republican job program? >> it's not about the republican job -- >> you just brought it up. what's your party's program? >> you're asking about the president, let me address the president. didn't ask about the republicans. you asked me about the president. i'm telling what you the president is doing. my analysis o
the republicans said -- >> the debt ceiling. >> -- and wall street came in and said, yes, you are. and now on immigration reform the president is appealing to the people who understand what responsible immigration reform can mean for business and the economy. he's actually not getting democrats to beat the republicans. he's getting republicans to beat the republicans. it's a great strategy. >> what do you make of it, michael, from the other side? jimmy carter was accused of...
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you have debt ceiling coming up few months after that and congress is supposed to pass a budget in the next couple of months but obviously they have not done that. >> gregg: he has raised taxes not only on high income earners, he has raised taxes on everyone. the word is he is going to say, he needs more money, more tax revenues. how is that going to be received? >> i can tell you on capitol hill it has not been received very well. house republicans basically, many of them didn't vote for the package that included the tax hikes you are referring to, the one that was voted right after new year's eve. they say that is enough. they don't want to see any more offers that includes tax increases. consider they hold the house majority and they can hold to that the best they can. i doubt we would see a package to stave off a sequester anything comprehensive like that. the best we're going to see a kick the can down the road and stave off the cuts. >> gregg: do you think this president, in a way, try to persuade the nation, that 8% unemployment, 25 million americans, unemployed or under employm
you have debt ceiling coming up few months after that and congress is supposed to pass a budget in the next couple of months but obviously they have not done that. >> gregg: he has raised taxes not only on high income earners, he has raised taxes on everyone. the word is he is going to say, he needs more money, more tax revenues. how is that going to be received? >> i can tell you on capitol hill it has not been received very well. house republicans basically, many of them didn't...
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. >> at minimum we've got to raise the debt ceiling. so, that's the bare minimum that has to be achieved. >> here is what john boehner and the republicans in the house were demanding. >> the house cannot pass a bill that raises taxes on job creators. the house could only pass a debt limit bill that includes spending cuts larger than the hike in the debt limit as well as real restraints on future spending. >> and here is what john boehner said when the final bill was si signed into law with the dreaded sequester. >> when you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white house, i got 98% of what i wanted. i'm pretty happy. >> to his credit, that's how republicans lindsey graham remembers it as well. >> as john will say it with straight talk, we have our fingerprints as republicans on this proposal, on this sequestration idea. it was the president's idea, according to bob woodward's book, but we as the republican party gagreed to it. we got in this mess together and we're going to have to get out together. >> joining me now a
. >> at minimum we've got to raise the debt ceiling. so, that's the bare minimum that has to be achieved. >> here is what john boehner and the republicans in the house were demanding. >> the house cannot pass a bill that raises taxes on job creators. the house could only pass a debt limit bill that includes spending cuts larger than the hike in the debt limit as well as real restraints on future spending. >> and here is what john boehner said when the final bill was si...
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i think that is part of what we're seeing on the debt ceiling. the last fight over the debt ceiling back in the summer of 2011. it turned out to be a terrible self-inflicted wound. our debt got down
i think that is part of what we're seeing on the debt ceiling. the last fight over the debt ceiling back in the summer of 2011. it turned out to be a terrible self-inflicted wound. our debt got down
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did not pass an agricultural bill and they essentially held the country's finances hostage over the debt ceiling but despite making the history books for all the wrong reasons power in washington and not shook hands during the november elections president is still the same the senate is still democratic and the house is still republican makes it hard to imagine the.
did not pass an agricultural bill and they essentially held the country's finances hostage over the debt ceiling but despite making the history books for all the wrong reasons power in washington and not shook hands during the november elections president is still the same the senate is still democratic and the house is still republican makes it hard to imagine the.
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. >> fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, immigration he said there's room but, look, republicans need to get religion on this. do you expect a similar tone in the state of the union? >> he has a limited amount of time. they feel they have a so-called m mandate from their victory not losing the senate. i think it's kind of full speed ahead for the president right now. he's going to go as bold as he can go, limited amount of time. i think i disagree a little bit on the economy. i think it's a course correction for him. i feel he's maybe second-guessing, not talking about the economy during his inaugural speech, now maybe i should have talked about that. >> which is fascinating because if you look at the first term in a lot of ways, you know, he started off -- you had a republican party that was largely kind of in the doldrums and he started off with economic stimulus and health care which united the party in some way. is he -- is he smart to refocus on the economy, jim? >> yes. >> and probably the more important question, is there actually -- we had angus king on saying there's common grou
. >> fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, immigration he said there's room but, look, republicans need to get religion on this. do you expect a similar tone in the state of the union? >> he has a limited amount of time. they feel they have a so-called m mandate from their victory not losing the senate. i think it's kind of full speed ahead for the president right now. he's going to go as bold as he can go, limited amount of time. i think i disagree a little bit on the economy. i think...
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we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by the question. in defense of molly's story and washington is getting better. that was not about dysfunction of washington, the two of them just do not like each other. that has nothing to do do with the broader things washington. the issue matrix is changing a bit. what we with saw in 2009 and 2010, when health care and economy were on the table, those are where the parties are fundamentally divided. that is going to be true. but the immigration, there's not the same divide with them. so it's not a polarizing issue with john kerry. part of the reason we are seeing less dysfunctio
we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by...
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host: some are not strategy as far as moving the debt ceiling ahead. guest: if they had gone ahead with it, it would have been politically cataclysmic. it was the worst percival -- worst possible ground to make their point. president obama 1. i think it's absolutely crucial for the future of the country that you cannot govern from the house. some house republicans, i am sympathetic to their concerns. their enthusiasm try to get in the battle is misplaced. you would have had high-stakes confrontation. in the end, you would have had republicans peeling off. but you would have been, at the beginning, bumping your chest, making all of these demands, saying we're not going to back down. at the end they would cave damn it would have gotten the worst of all possible worlds. there's a lot of frustration in the republican caucus that john boehner has to deal with. i think he did a pretty good job. host: peter wehner, senior fellow at the ethics and the policy center. if you want to find out more about his organization and his writing, visit their web site. comi
host: some are not strategy as far as moving the debt ceiling ahead. guest: if they had gone ahead with it, it would have been politically cataclysmic. it was the worst percival -- worst possible ground to make their point. president obama 1. i think it's absolutely crucial for the future of the country that you cannot govern from the house. some house republicans, i am sympathetic to their concerns. their enthusiasm try to get in the battle is misplaced. you would have had high-stakes...
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ceiling, whether it comes to chuck hagel or immigration reform. what do you think about all of that? >> well, it's funny. i am an old democrat as they say. so i remember the days when the republicans were all united. we democrats would get in a circle and start shooting inward. there was a sense in which everything has changed in the opposite way. you have got a very united democratic party standing toe-to-toe with the president. and you have got republicans bitterly divided so the way you get majorities right now is the democrats pick off republicans and leave the rest of the republicans out in the cold. if i were republican i would not be very happy right now. >> you mentioned the democrats have been through periods like this in the past. then along came bill clinton, for example. he nudged the party toward the center. the democrats started winning some elections. do you think if you take a look at what's going on with republicans from your side of the aisle that maybe something like that is going to be necessary in order for the republican part
ceiling, whether it comes to chuck hagel or immigration reform. what do you think about all of that? >> well, it's funny. i am an old democrat as they say. so i remember the days when the republicans were all united. we democrats would get in a circle and start shooting inward. there was a sense in which everything has changed in the opposite way. you have got a very united democratic party standing toe-to-toe with the president. and you have got republicans bitterly divided so the way...
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in exchange for temporarily suspending the debt ceiling debate. the bill requires lawmakers in both chambers of congress, to pass a budget by mid-april. or have their pay withheld. the measure now advances to president obama's desk to be signed into law. >> the next time a child is abducted near you, your cell phone may shriek to life with an alert message. a new national amber alert system officially rolled out to millions of cell phones. the alerts are automatically active on most newer phones. and they've already taken tens of thousands of people by surprise. the newly-expanded emergency alert system is one way fema is trying to update how it reaches people with new technology. >> today marks the 10th anniversary of the space shuttle columbia disaster, which killed all seven crew members. following the disaster, nasa re-named a weather balloon launch facility to honor those on the shuttle. with the large amount of debris that fell nearby, the facility became a makeshift collection site. today the balloon facility is one of 62 launch sites in th
in exchange for temporarily suspending the debt ceiling debate. the bill requires lawmakers in both chambers of congress, to pass a budget by mid-april. or have their pay withheld. the measure now advances to president obama's desk to be signed into law. >> the next time a child is abducted near you, your cell phone may shriek to life with an alert message. a new national amber alert system officially rolled out to millions of cell phones. the alerts are automatically active on most newer...
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if republicans had time to this issue and said, you know, were not going to raise the debt ceiling unless at a certain amount of cuts, they would've caved in the end, would've been disastrous, much like what the fiscal cliff and i think boehner and right together did a very nice job convincing republicans that you can't govern from the house, but sure to be careful about getting into these high-profile, high-stakes, last-minute negotiations with the president. it worked in the white house, i worked in three administrations. they have a tremendous institutional at vantage in this kind of bias. i think what republicans have to do is avoid these sites come at the straps the democrats and president obama are laying, provide an alternative to passing legislation, just to show them this is how we recover if we have the powers of the presidency and the senate and to be careful and frankly the rougher edges republicans sometimes have. >> host: some republicans aren't happy sr is moving ahead. >> guest: i think if they had gone ahead, it would have been cataclysmic for the republican party. i say
if republicans had time to this issue and said, you know, were not going to raise the debt ceiling unless at a certain amount of cuts, they would've caved in the end, would've been disastrous, much like what the fiscal cliff and i think boehner and right together did a very nice job convincing republicans that you can't govern from the house, but sure to be careful about getting into these high-profile, high-stakes, last-minute negotiations with the president. it worked in the white house, i...
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ceiling. >> we got the debt limit out of the way so that we weren't jeopardizing the full faith and credit of the united states government. at some point, washington has to deal with its spending problem. i've watched them kick this can down the road for 22 years that i've been here. i've had enough of it. time to act. >> sreenivasan: at the white house, spokesman jay carney it's the republicans who are being irresponsible, by rejecting the president's appeal out of hand. >> he put forward a proposal for avoiding that outcome while congress continues working on longer term deficit reduction. that's the sensible thing to do. why make-- why punish the american people because you haven't been able to achieve your ideological objectives through other means? >> sreenivasan: in another development, the associated press reported the u.s. military is cutting back from two aircraft carriers to one, in the persian gulf. the report cited u.s. officials who said it's a direct response to the looming, across-the-board cuts. u.s. and british regulators have fined the royal bank of scotland more t
ceiling. >> we got the debt limit out of the way so that we weren't jeopardizing the full faith and credit of the united states government. at some point, washington has to deal with its spending problem. i've watched them kick this can down the road for 22 years that i've been here. i've had enough of it. time to act. >> sreenivasan: at the white house, spokesman jay carney it's the republicans who are being irresponsible, by rejecting the president's appeal out of hand. >>...
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ceiling and next up sequestration. >> i think that's exactly right. you see that for the gdp numbers, for example. fourth quarter gdp numbers down and in large part because of government spending. redust in the military spending because of the draw down in the war but government spending does help the economy. >> right. >> clear that's been the case looking, for example, at great britain. they're in the double-dip recession right now doing the same austerity measures republicans oppose and we have had 6.1 million new jobs added in this economy and i think that the problems are we have to invest in education, make sure people have opportunities and make sure that the government doesn't pull back right now. >> what we also know is there are republicans who still strongly say and assert that the stimulus did not work and they do not believe in exactly what you just said. >> economists, the majority of those interviewed by "wall street journal" believes the stimulus works. 3 million jobs because of the stimulus and other thing is about the education thing
ceiling and next up sequestration. >> i think that's exactly right. you see that for the gdp numbers, for example. fourth quarter gdp numbers down and in large part because of government spending. redust in the military spending because of the draw down in the war but government spending does help the economy. >> right. >> clear that's been the case looking, for example, at great britain. they're in the double-dip recession right now doing the same austerity measures...
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the senate is obligate as a result of the debt ceiling vote to do wait has not done in the last four years and that is present a budget resolution for four years the senate said we don't care if the law requires us to do it. we'll ignore that. martha: let's hope dave camp's proposal of taking on tax reform is something republicans have been talking about for a long time. chinned with the fact that the senate must act on a budget must get us into tangibles in terms of this discuss in washington. carl, thank you so much. always good to talk to you. gregg: disturbing information about iran's nuclear program. martha: this is one of the most interesting moments of the game. the light went out. i thought this was a blowout game and the next thing you know -- a firsthand account from what it was like at the stadium from a familiar football fan. hey, it's me, progressive insurance. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. [sigh] it feels good to help p
the senate is obligate as a result of the debt ceiling vote to do wait has not done in the last four years and that is present a budget resolution for four years the senate said we don't care if the law requires us to do it. we'll ignore that. martha: let's hope dave camp's proposal of taking on tax reform is something republicans have been talking about for a long time. chinned with the fact that the senate must act on a budget must get us into tangibles in terms of this discuss in washington....
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and we have the best to come yet because we have to the side of the debt ceiling and spending. and so this is where we really need leadership, which we were used to. i tend to be an optimist about the united states because people gave up on us of vietnam's, on the watergate crisis, and we came charging back, and that think we will do it here. it would be nice if we did not have to go to the clef each time to do it. >> you know, and it began, when you start talking about the kind of relationships and leadership, you know, we still seem to have this atmosphere where people talk more at each other than trying to find some common ground, some common goal in getting it done. you broke still hold goal of growth and jobs, and that is the answer to all of this. you also talked a lot about contagion. now, we all, you know, a sense that if the europeans situation got worse and they are representing 23% of world gdp, you know, the effect that it is going to have on the united states, india, brazil is going to be real. and so with 40 percent of their exports coming year to the united state
and we have the best to come yet because we have to the side of the debt ceiling and spending. and so this is where we really need leadership, which we were used to. i tend to be an optimist about the united states because people gave up on us of vietnam's, on the watergate crisis, and we came charging back, and that think we will do it here. it would be nice if we did not have to go to the clef each time to do it. >> you know, and it began, when you start talking about the kind of...
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it was not addressed in the debt ceiling. the debt ceiling should have been extended, but we need to now deal with the fundamental problem that our spending and revenues are not in line. now, we could talk about the cause of how we got here. we could talk about how the congress reduced tax revenues while we were at war, a policy that i spoke out against and voted against, but our responsibility is to figure out how we go from where we are today with budget deficits that are not sustainable to how we can bring our country into better fiscal balance. we need a balanced approach. we need an approach that looks at spending, looks at revenues, that acknowledges that job growth is first and foremost our objective. we have got to create more jobs in our economy. more people working, less people needing governmental services, more people paying tax revenues. all of that helps generate the growth in our economy. we have got to protect the middle class. the middle class has been particularly vulnerable during this slowdown in our econo
it was not addressed in the debt ceiling. the debt ceiling should have been extended, but we need to now deal with the fundamental problem that our spending and revenues are not in line. now, we could talk about the cause of how we got here. we could talk about how the congress reduced tax revenues while we were at war, a policy that i spoke out against and voted against, but our responsibility is to figure out how we go from where we are today with budget deficits that are not sustainable to...
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ceiling. >> we got the debt limit out of the way so that we weren't jeopardizing the full faith and credit of the united states government. at some point, washington has to deal with its spending problem. i've watched them kick this can down the road for 22 years that i've been here. i've had enough of it. time to act. >> sreenivasan: at the white house, spokesman jay carney it's the republicans who are being irresponsible, by rejecting the president's appeal out of hand. >> he put forward a proposal for avoiding that outcome while congress continues working on longer term deficit reduction. that's the sensible thing to do. why make-- why punish the american people because you haven't been able to achieve your ideological objectives through other means? >> sreenivasan: in another development, the associated press reported the u.s. military is cutting back from two aircraft carriers to one, in the persian gulf. the report cited u.s. officials who said it's a direct response to the looming, across-the-board cuts. u.s. and british regulators have fined the royal bank of scotland more t
ceiling. >> we got the debt limit out of the way so that we weren't jeopardizing the full faith and credit of the united states government. at some point, washington has to deal with its spending problem. i've watched them kick this can down the road for 22 years that i've been here. i've had enough of it. time to act. >> sreenivasan: at the white house, spokesman jay carney it's the republicans who are being irresponsible, by rejecting the president's appeal out of hand. >>...
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i think the debt ceiling went like groundhog day. it's like this time we're going to have this debate. then at midnight on new year's eve we pass a bill and give senators six minutes to reid it before it goes and we've now avoided the fiscal by kicking the can down the road which now we passed a bill to push off until may the reckoning for the debt ceiling. nobody has come to the table to try to fix things. i say the senate hasn't actually passed a budget. the president and democrats haven't passed a budget in four years. there is a fundamental inability for congress to do their job. you are supposed to pass a budget by april 15. you are supposed to reconcile all those bills by october. that hasn't happened in four years. instead we've had this crisis atmosphere where things are passed in the middle of the night and nothing gets done. >> we only look at law makers records as they pertain to gun related issues. the numbers in the house and numbers of the senate haven't changed so much from the previous congress but there are faces tha
i think the debt ceiling went like groundhog day. it's like this time we're going to have this debate. then at midnight on new year's eve we pass a bill and give senators six minutes to reid it before it goes and we've now avoided the fiscal by kicking the can down the road which now we passed a bill to push off until may the reckoning for the debt ceiling. nobody has come to the table to try to fix things. i say the senate hasn't actually passed a budget. the president and democrats haven't...
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there's the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling. now the sequester. i mean, we're now talk about perhaps $85 billion in spending cuts in 2013 if they don't get their act together on the sequester. that's pointing exactly in the opposite direction. so the fed is kind of setting the table but not getting the support from the congress on the fiscal side. >> so given the looming debt ceiling limit here, this week on morning joe the "new york times" economist argued why the u.s. should spend now and worry about deficit reduction later. here it is. >> dashing spending when you still have depressed economy is really destructive. it's probably even counterproductive even in purely fiscal terms. we should be sustaining government spending until we have a stronger economic recovery. >> this is not a hard call. as long as we have 4 million people who have been unemployed for more than a year, this is not a time to be worrying about reducing the budget deficit. give me something that looks more like a normal employment situation and i'll become a deficit hawk but
there's the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling. now the sequester. i mean, we're now talk about perhaps $85 billion in spending cuts in 2013 if they don't get their act together on the sequester. that's pointing exactly in the opposite direction. so the fed is kind of setting the table but not getting the support from the congress on the fiscal side. >> so given the looming debt ceiling limit here, this week on morning joe the "new york times" economist argued why the u.s. should...
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ceiling battles? will all of these numbers go out the window? >> well i think the biggest problem this country has is debt. eventually debt has to be paid back and the problem is we adding three billion a day to the deficit, and i'm just worried that one day we're going to wake up and the market's eyes are going to open up and say wait a minute, look at all these debt and start hitting the wrong way. but look. so far so good. for whatever reason the market likes what it sees, and i never argue with the market. it's kind of stupid to do that. i think you would be run over by a train if you bet against it right now. >> heather: gary kaltbaum joining us. thank you so much. we appreciate your insight as always. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> gregg: so he gave us the barney cam. remember that, and he was by president bush's side throughout his eight years in the white house. what the former president is now saying about his beloved scottish terrier. yeah the barney cam. >> heather: hours before the big game
ceiling battles? will all of these numbers go out the window? >> well i think the biggest problem this country has is debt. eventually debt has to be paid back and the problem is we adding three billion a day to the deficit, and i'm just worried that one day we're going to wake up and the market's eyes are going to open up and say wait a minute, look at all these debt and start hitting the wrong way. but look. so far so good. for whatever reason the market likes what it sees, and i never...
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i think that is part of what we're seeing on the debt ceiling. the last fight over the debt ceiling back in the summer of 2011. it turned out to be a terrible self-inflicted wound. our debt got down graded. i think that is part of why -- even republicans who care very much about spending are nervous to use that as a bargaining chip again. we saw how damaging bringing into question the credit worthiness of the government. the fight should not be should we pay the bill? >> there is an interesting question about in retrospect if republicans leveraging the debt limit to get a bill that cut spending by $1 to $2 trillion going forward whether that was worth it? they introduced liquidity risk. if you don't cut spending we're not going to vote for a debt limit increase. it worked. the president agreed to cut the spending by a significant amount. now, would you like that negotiation had resulted from not having made that threat? absolutely. but do you think it would have occurred? there's the difference. i would never be one to advocate that congress shou
i think that is part of what we're seeing on the debt ceiling. the last fight over the debt ceiling back in the summer of 2011. it turned out to be a terrible self-inflicted wound. our debt got down graded. i think that is part of why -- even republicans who care very much about spending are nervous to use that as a bargaining chip again. we saw how damaging bringing into question the credit worthiness of the government. the fight should not be should we pay the bill? >> there is an...
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ceiling thing, looks like they are going to get something done on immigration reform. gun control, we'll see. i think that has a lot to do with us. >> right. and, you know, like -- i know i'm in a basically republican state here in nebraska, and, you know, i go to work i hear all of these things, and of course i voted for obama the first time ever that i voted and all i really got was an immigration law that immigrants are coming to this country and bringing all of these weapons, and i understand there are some bad things happening on the border but you know how many people in california like agriculturally do for this country? you know how many people in texas and these other places picking or food that we eat almost every day. >> stephanie: i would like to apologize for all of the previous stupidity of all of the previous republicans, and give you some pro flowers. would that help? [ laughter ] >> caller: yeah okay. >> stephanie: all right. hold on. if you are looking for flowers this valentine's day go to pro flowers and enter the pass word code stephanie. >> fun wo
ceiling thing, looks like they are going to get something done on immigration reform. gun control, we'll see. i think that has a lot to do with us. >> right. and, you know, like -- i know i'm in a basically republican state here in nebraska, and, you know, i go to work i hear all of these things, and of course i voted for obama the first time ever that i voted and all i really got was an immigration law that immigrants are coming to this country and bringing all of these weapons, and i...
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so they've passed a law to temporarily not enforce that debt ceiling until may. so two big deadlines. march 1 and may 18. >> we do a lot of kicking the can. but almost always they come to a resolution in the 11th hour, like karen said. and there is some encouraging news, 157,000 new hires in january is not what they were expecting. so there some encouraging news out there. we don't have to panic. but we do need to get our pocketbooks in check. and our government has a hard time doing that. >> just because the dow is over 14,000, that's a great sign. people forget those days, 6,500 when we were at the worst of the crisis, so to be over 14,000 right now is a big deal. so we'll see what's next. >> right. let's get this going. >>> federal prosecutors are going after the huge ratings agency standards and poor's with connection to the mortgage meltdown. they accuse the company of lighting the financial fuse that helped start the financial meltdown. the justice department claims that s&p kept giving top ratings investments its own analysts warned were too risky. >> whil
so they've passed a law to temporarily not enforce that debt ceiling until may. so two big deadlines. march 1 and may 18. >> we do a lot of kicking the can. but almost always they come to a resolution in the 11th hour, like karen said. and there is some encouraging news, 157,000 new hires in january is not what they were expecting. so there some encouraging news out there. we don't have to panic. but we do need to get our pocketbooks in check. and our government has a hard time doing...